*sadly goes to reset the counter to 0 on the "days since I saw someone shit on the existence of light themes" sign*

I think on average I see this like once a week.

I cannot see dark themes at all. And it's a hell of a thing to see this hostility not just to a software option but to my own existence and qualities as a person who uses this option. Like I've seen people say you have to be a psychopath to use light theme, which is an awesome way to double up on the ableism!

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Something else about light themes I don't think I've seen in so many words:

I strongly suspect most apps these days are made for dark theme, in dark theme, by people who only like dark theme. The light theme sometimes doesn't work great, or it feels grudgingly implemented, half-assed.

The dark themes you see probably are optimized by people who care about them but don't think that means the light ones are. They aren't necessarily ideal for people who need light themes; this is just all we get.

Having just been talking about poorly-designed light themes this morning, I'm delighted to see that @Tusky updated for me this evening and its (already perfectly good, I hasten to add that this isn't one of the grudging, bad ones I was talking about!) light theme looks even better now! Better contrast. :) Hurrah.

I'm so tired.

At first I couldn't even read this text telling me that the app had been switched to dark mode (no shit) and how to stop it.

The developers never consider that light theme could be a necessity, and it shows!

It was especially infuriating to see, when I did summon the spoons to change it, that it'd been automatically set to dark theme just because I have my phone in battery saver mode. It's not quite a myth that dark themes save battery, but it's certainly not usually the case!

It says a lot when I see this and all I can think is "oh no, please don't be dark mode, please don't let this 'sleek new look' mean obligate dark mode, oh no it says 'easier on the eyes' helppp meeee..."

They haven't made me use dark theme.

They HAVE made the text smaller.

*weeps*

There is no ability to change the text size (as far as I can tell but...you know, I'm struggling to read the settings menu now!).

You can change the font! They have three font choices! But you cannot change the size of the font.

Developers please stop thinking something works before you've hired disabled devs or paid good accessibility consultants to give you their expertise, because otherwise you're going to keep thinking "it works" means the same thing as "it works for me" and you're going to miss a lot of important shit that way.

Oh by the way I confirmed this is true for Discord specifically. blog.discord.com/light-theme-r

"Even within our office, it was hard to find more than one or two actual light theme users. Our small team of designers didn’t design with it in mind when creating new features. It became an afterthought. Testing on light theme was rare, and considered a chore."

"It eventually became a Discord community inside joke that light theme was bad and you were bad for using it."

Interestingly, that post is a couple years old and it was written to announce the new golden age of light theme; I started using Discord after that and I still hate it, haha.

But it's amazing to see how much worse it was! The sidebar was still dark! Because no one could need to read those words too! The contrast is terrible! If you love dark so much why is the text medium-grey?! The fonts are so thin! Fonts are the thing that shouldn't be light even in light mode! ( wired.com/2016/10/how-the-web-)

@bright_helpings Hearing you, and god, yeah, it sucks.

From an ND perspective--I've gotten used to it on Masto desktop, but for literally everything else, I use light themes because I can't process text much longer than a paragraph in white text on dark background.

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I also just find most dark themes ugly. They lack good colour contrast also make them hard to navigate. From mattermost to obsidian to element I have had to make custom themes since in many ways both light and dark themes just don't have enough contrast to be usable.

@bright_helpings @Tusky still waiting on the update to come through on android but that's super awesome that they've worked on the light theme!

@wolfie @bright_helpings @Tusky so glad to see it's helped someone. I submitted that change to Tusky and wasn't ever sure anyone other than me was really bugged by the not-very-light light theme. I have eyesight deterioration that makes dark themed things pretty unreadable myself but it's always felt like nobody else cared much. :awesome:

@mike @wolfie @bright_helpings @Tusky This is literally the first time I've heard of a light theme for Tusky. Thanks!

@vertigo @wolfie @bright_helpings @Tusky it has been there for ages but it defaults to dark, not the system preference. Around Tusky 10 the light theme contrast got a lot worse though. In 14 it's properly light again.

@bright_helpings “it is accessible to me” is just spicy “it works on my machine”

@bright_helpings Out of curiosity I tried the light mode in Discord today and while it does now have a light sidebar, the contrast is too low even for me, fully sighted with glasses. It's just about usable (for me!) with the dark sidebar re-enabled, but the fact that they are still resorted to this workaround shows how bad they are at light mode.

@bright_helpings yeah it was impressive how they turned things around after that tone deaf April Fools "prank". I remember waking up to messages from friends to warn me not to update the app so I would be still able to access it! And now discord have something that's easier for them to work with on the back end and no longer an after thought

@bright_helpings for reasons, we are trying to poke through the SCSS for the themes on Mastodon

there are several pairs like "$ui-base-color" and "$ui-base-lighter-color" where the one labeled 'lighter' has to be darker and vice-versa on light theme 😐

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