Ambulent people are the worst at assessing wheelchair accessibility. "Mud and gravel and a door nobody can open so it's actually only accessible to wheelchairs big/powerful enough to cope with the terrain AND small enough to get in one door" is a particular reminder that there's no such thing as fully accessible.
There's only information: what's the maximum width, what's the biggest incline, does anyone have a key to the "accessible" entrance and has anyone put something in front of it.
And the same is true for sighted people not being very trustworthy when it comes to whether a place will be accessible to me, hearing people aren't as likely to know what to check for to determine how accessible a place is to d/Deaf or hard of hearing people...
Accessibility is multifaceted and complex, and it's never going to be as obvious to people who don't need it as it is to people who can't go without it.
@bright_helpings Yes! Aah this resonates so much. I have epilepsy and no one understands access who doesn't have epilepsy cause lots of myths, and I don't really expect people to get it. It is really complex.
And I've noticed that abled people get overwhelmed about conflicting accessibilities in a way that the community does not. I know that sometimes my need for different lighting to prevent problems can conflict with people who need specific lighting for their disabilities. Its not bad. 1.
@bright_helpings Its just a thing that happens.
@Cyborgneticz Yeah, clashing access needs is such a well-understood thing among the disabled people I know and almost completely unheard of among people who aren't disabled and it's so exhausting dealing with them, because most of them expect there to be One Correct Answer for all the disableds and they don't like it if you tell them anything that complicates that! And that's how we get a lot of this "well this is fine for my autistic nephew so why aren't you fine" kind of BS too.
@bright_helpings For sure! The idea that even among people with the same diagnosis there might be conflicts is just somehow unacceptable. It's real frustrating. If they could just say - hey we contacted people to help with XYZ let us know if that doesn't match with you and we can try to figure out an alt for you - totally fine. Instead they get so defensive its exhausting.
@Cyborgneticz Totally. I do a lot of disability activism these days and I'm always quick to say "hey I'm only one person, I have an uncommon diagnosis, and I literally know different people with sight loss who have mutually exclusive access needs." I really don't want someone to think that if I'm okay with something I have signed off on it for all the blind people. There are such a huge range of visual impairments!
@bright_helpings Every disability has so many variations! I dont know if that perspective is at my school, but I'm excited to make conflicting needs understood in my classroom.
I'm glad you're doing that work it's so important 💗
@Cyborgneticz I'm very tiny cogs in big machines so it's difficult to see that as important but it does make me feel better. :) When something goes wrong for me I don't want to fix it just next time or just for me, I want to fix it always for everyone.
I'm so excited for you being able to model this in your classroom! It would've made such a difference to me to know at that kind of age what I know now about how to do this. You're gonna be so good for these people. :)
@bright_helpings @Cyborgneticz I usually get the „oh, so you don’t need accessibility then?“ when I point out that my needs are different from someone else with a similar disability’s needs. And then for some reason they yell at me, which must be just as exhausting for them as it is for me to listen to. I don’t know how to deal with that properly.
@Cyborgneticz @bright_helpings The main problem is that yelling is „accessibility“ towards hard of hearing people. It probably works for some of us, but I’m noise sensitive in addition to a moderate hearing loss and tinnitus, so to me it’s just more sound to filter out so I can hear properly enough.
It pretty much illustrates Erik‘s point, though. What works for some is not working for others.
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