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real talk:
climate change is serious, and we need to take serious, large-scale action to mitigate it.
when i say :bancars: , this is shorthand. but: don't be stressing about your personal issues, *like that guardian article says*, addressing climate change is about society-wide choices. and as a society, we have chosen cars to transport us. this is not about you, or your job, or your kids.
reliance on personal automobiles needs to stop at the society level. this is not about you.

this is about *us*. this is about the choices that we make as a neighborhood, as a community, as a city.
we choose what to fund and how to get it funded.
our voices are heard by our local elected officials. we *can* make a difference in how we choose to structure our world, at the infrastructure level.
we can say, "prioritize funding for other things over continuing to support private automobiles", in a million ways.
it's not one big change, but a big scaffolding that needs to be re-aligned.

@t54r4n1 the transportation sector denialism and whataboutism in your replies is 😩

and when you get your government to support actually climate sensitive paths - that then falls on the corporations to implement change. deciding to not add more lanes to the freeway directly impacts the oil sales of your area. deciding to allow the creation of liveable communities, where you don't need a car to meet your needs, is infrastructure that directly attacks vehicle miles driven.

@t54r4n1 CO2 is pretty irrelevant compared to all the other massive forms of pollution. Overfishing and plastics in the ocean are more pressing dangers than climate change.

But they all have the same solutions: humans need to consume less. Cell phones should be repairable and last 10 years. You should be able to order parts for a Tesla. You shouldn't buy a Tesla until your gas car is beyond the ability to repair.

The reality is humans are not willing to reduce their consumption habits.

@djsumdog you're putting all the blame on us as individuals - I'm saying that *we*, as a *society*, need to take action. We can.

@t54r4n1 oh no, sorry I didn't mean it to come out that way. Seriously, the individual has so little influence it is laughable.

I mean Edward Bernays showed how easy it was to manipulate huge segments of the population using psychoanalysis and advertising. Milgram showed that most people can't think independent of authority.

It'll all collapse eventually. The planet will be fine once we go extinct.
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I'm a big fan of passive passive nihilism. 😇

@t54r4n1 I don’t think cars make 10% of the pollution that the world creates- it’s mostly industrial facilities and commercial vehicles (trucks, planes, cruise liners, cargo ships, etc) isn’t it?

@t54r4n1 its the same thing to me as home composting vs industrial composting- the latter makes huge difference but the former is barely a dent

@t54r4n1 if we want to talk about reorganizing cities and work to not need cards then that’s fine, connecting people in communities is a noble goal. Huge effort that would span centuries though.

@t54r4n1 there are many folks who live very far from work because of affordability and it seems a bit privileged to say they can no longer be employed because cars are banned

@mattdkerr that's why this I'm talking about society, not individuals.

@mattdkerr if we organized our cities to not need cars, do you think we'd still be using trucks, planes, etc, to the same extent?

@t54r4n1 commercial ones, yes. There’s no alternative to move large quantities of goods from their sources (farms, mills, mines, etc). For households, possibly not. Affordability and property speculation is still a huge issue that pushes people from gentrified areas out to outskirts

@mattdkerr of course. like I said in the next toot, it's about changing a big scaffolding, and housing is an incredibly huge chunk of interconnected parts in that scaffold.

@t54r4n1 I’m afraid that without changing more than that- IE disparity of wealth, you won’t make much headway

@mattdkerr sure, better to do nothing, and moan about it!
snot aside: yes disparity of wealth is part of the problem, there are so many dang parts of the scaffold! and: yes they can all be worked on! just: be aware of the other parts of it, and work toward a good goal. that's all I ask.

@mattdkerr @t54r4n1 I'm not sure that's true. Do you have a source for it?

@charlag @t54r4n1 as far as I can tell nobody breaks it down that way, but I’ll keep looking

@t54r4n1

Agreed! If it is worthwhile to ban personally own vehicles, it also makes sense to ban commercial meat foods. Livestock farming is more devastating to the planet than cars.

@t54r4n1 they had a street festival in my neighborhood. The main road was closed for the day. It was amazing, I felt like I could breathe so much deeper and cleaner.

I would personally think it would be easy to replace cars with a system of trams, electric buses and bicycles.

There could also be free electric taxis for people who can't use public transport.

@t54r4n1 also we need to genocide cows. i am using the word "genocide" tongue in cheek but the point remains https://www.google.com/search?q=cows+and+climate+change
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@alfred sure! go for it: . start a movement! a ... moovement!

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