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FOSS elitism 

I've seen some criticisms of proprietary software in Flathub/Snap/etc.

I get it- I prefer to use FOSS when possible, too. But if making popular tools available increases adoption, in my opinion, that only helps the community grow in the long run.

I can't tell you how many comments I've read saying "I'd use Linux if not for Adobe". If Adobe joined Flathub, it'd bring **some** folks in. They could discover FOSS alternatives after a bit. Linux would grow! That's good!

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As a non-Adobe user, and a non-O365 user, I would welcome both popular software sets onto the Linux desktop space.

If nothing else, imagine the software centers showing folks the proprietary Adobe, and then next to it, the FOSS editors which won't charge them monthly. Imagine the new possibilities for discovery, right there!

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@vkc that would be truly wonderful

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@vkc My grad school advisor only works in MS Word and the equations don’t always survive being saved by a FOSS word processor, so right now I have an entire Windows VM installed for text editing. It’d sure be nice to get rid of the VM.

@jkbest @vkc Collabora offers support to works with MS Office documents, but maybe you need paid suppor in your case. WPS it's a private software but runs in Linux with a free version.

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@jkbest I've had great luck with Codeweavers Crossover, at least with slightly older boxed Office. Not sure if that would work for you, but I've appreciated it.

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@vkc This is why they're unlikely to do it. They don't want to weaken their market share.

@vkc long time ago we'd have Corel Draw and Corel WordPerfect Office, even Corel Linux and it was nice.
But we must understand that their primacy it's a matter of money.
If I sell 10 pc to a office or classroom, I can gain i.e. 10 pc x 1000 € PC x 10% sale commission= 1000 €;
The same in Windows: 10 x 1100 x 10% +1100 €
And so...

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@vkc Proprietary software (Steam & all the games in it) is, in this moment, exposing a huge swathe of users to Linux and FOSS, possibly for the first time. Even if they messed around with Ubuntu in a VM before, there’s a good chance the Steam Deck is their first dedicated Linux computer.

Ideologically purity in this instance isn’t just ignoring the material needs of users, it’s detrimental to the growth of Linux as an alternate platform.

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@vkc *Ideological, you get what I’m try to say

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@vkc I'm also happy to see good, proprietary, commercial software for sale that supports Linux as a tier-one platform, and runs well. I'm a proud owner of SoftMaker's Office suite and I run it on Windows and Linux. Magnitudes lighter than MS Office with great interoperability and a professional look-and-feel

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@vkc Don't worry, eventually, Adobe will force you to use all their software in a browser, anyway. Office 365 already works in a browser (though I don't know how well it works, mind). What you say has a lot of truth in it, though. FOSS is incredibly pervasive, everybody at least uses something with FOSS components. On the flipside, the same is true of proprietary software, unless you're willing to go to the lengths of a zealot like Stallman.

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@vkc it’s be nice for Adobe to be in the Linux space. I know Photoshop and Premiere like the back of my hands. Gimp and KDEnlive have been challenges. I AM however an O-365 user. I switched Cass & I’s email to that and got rid of GSuite. Gmail is great but it doesn’t play very nice with the iPhone. Especially with its hacky implementation of IMAP.

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@vkc I wholeheartedly agree. My only reservation is that I am uncomfortable with Snaps because it's a proprietary backend. It's one thing to distribute proprietary applications. But when the distribution depends on one company, that's a bit of a red flag.

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@vkc couldn't agree more, that is why flatpak and appimage are way more important than people realize, a centralized way to provide working bins of closed sourced software to any distro

fossbros refuse to understand this, and go out to create conflict even with other linux users because their distro if choice wasn't "approved" by gnu

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@vkc
And at least you run proprietary software in a sandbox!
Running proprietary software in Linux via Flatpak is better than in Windows, from the security and privacy point of view.

(I do not recommend using proprietary software!)

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@vkc also in some fields FOSS isn't really an option if you either need to collaborate or have professional software (or one with a lot of features you actually need)

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@fuomag9 To be clear- I collaborate all the time using non-proprietary graphic/video/print/doc software, but it certainly doesn't work that way for everyone.

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@vkc indeed, if it brings them in, Linux will gain critical mass over Windows, like Mac OS X has right now in the graphic design space.

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@vkc Let Windows users discover Linux as a Windows Subsystem Layer (WSL) in the Powershell. Linux can be installed via the Microsoft store.

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@wiligl I don't know if I see that as an avenue of discovery for Linux itself- folks would have to know what they were looking for.

I'm picturing a future with more Linux-first devices getting shipped. It's easy for me to recommend a Linux laptop to a non-enthusiast customer when they have a support package, and more vendors are doing that now.

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@vkc "non-free" is totally fine if it's explicitly marked as such.

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